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Boston Celtics Sign Darius Miles

First off thanks to reader Georgia for the Fan Post (see below) that gave me the heads up on this signing. I remember the C's worked Miles out earlier this summer, but I didn't really think it would go anywhere. And lo and behold it happened. Some thoughts on the deal.

1. My first thought? Blazers fans are not going to like this. Remember when Miles was waived the following came to light:

"Assuming that Miles does not pass another team’s physical and get picked up by another NBA franchise, the Blazers would be able to take the last two years of his $48 million contract off their salary cap."

That same article had a big time quote from Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard,

"The doctors had actually said…‘if you were my son, I’d never have you pick up a basketball again. I’m the kind of GM (that) I wouldn’t want that on my head that he ever had to have knee replacement." - Pritchard

I guess Danny Ainge is the kind of GM that is okay with it. As expected Blazers fans are not pleased. Lot of reactions there, especially after the thread picks back up following a detour of sorts. I found one comment particularly insightful. It's called "No wishing him the best: [Green Bandwagon UPDATE: Since the initial posting I've gotten some feedback from Blazers fans/Blazers Edge readers and the following does not represent the opinion of the vast majority of them. While it still may be useful in regards to the extreme or how things could go if Miles were to play sparingly in 10 games and get cut, it is now clear to me that it is definitely the exception and not the rule.]

"The procedure followed by the Blazers is that the league and the players union appointed an independent doctor to examine the evidence and issue a ruling. That ruling affected the Blazers, Miles, and any team interested in Miles. It was the Blazers, however, who had the risk. Miles was, after all, under contract. And when the ruling was issued, Miles was not willing to give the Blazers the same contract that he then went out and offered to all other teams. Instead, he kept the Blazers guaranteed contract, which they have to pay regardless of whatever contract he signed with NY. In sum, if NY pays the minimum, then the Blazers pay the difference between the minimum and the $9 million/year they owe Darius.

Darius and his agent, in sum, took advantage of the situation. Some of you who wish him the best should keep that in mind. If he’d offered the Blazers the same deal he offered all other teams – basically, let me play and I’ll show you I’m worthy of a roster spot, and I’ll also absolve you of liability if I reinjure myself – then I can understand your position.

But he didn’t do that.

As a Blazer fan, I have no sympathy for Miles or his agent. He was not a $9 million/year player – knew it, and every other team knew it. But the Blazers pay for it.

Now, if he should make the roster, the Blazers also lose the cap space, just as they lost the player. The cap space was nothing more than an off-set to the salary they must still pay – but gave them the ability to replace him without penalties.

Under the circumstances, its in my interest that he blows the knee out and never plays again.

So, no wishing him the best here." - Eben Calder

Anytime a person openly states a desire to see someone blow out a knee...well that's a clear signal the stakes are high. The Miles signing is definitely bad news in the midst of all the Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez excitement. We could be watching the beginning of a Celtics/Trail Blazers blood feud. Henry Abbott summed the situation up nicely a while back:

"Everyone knows, however, that the Blazers have a business interest in keeping Darius Miles from playing in the League in the next two years -- if he plays ten games, his medical retirement is over, and Miles' salary is back counting against Portland's salary cap and luxury tax number." - Henry Abbott

More after the jump...

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2. Miles is only 26. Yet another straight to the pros high school guy that seems like he's been around forever. Along those lines hat tip to Celtics Blog for digging up a classic SI Cover from what feels like a really long time ago:

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3. Miles is also one of the ultimate, "What if?" guys.

4. It's not a given that Miles will make the roster. But if he does the Celtics will be even more loaded with question marks. Can Tony Allen step up and help replace James Posey? Will J.R. Giddens avoid controversy? What can Gabe Pruitt bring to the table? Will Bill Walker get healthy, sign, and contribute? And don't forget about Patrick O'Bryant. Granted it makes sense given how much money Ray Allen, KG, and Paul Pierce make. Still outside of those three the Celtics are not as veteran a team as you would imagine. It behooves (hat tip Bob Cousy) Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, and Leon Powe to continue improving, working hard, and contributing to a winning culture. Meanwhile, I wonder if there is a point where there are too many gambles on the roster.

5. Speaking of making the roster. If he did Miles would miss the first 10 games due to a previous failed drug test.

6. Miles is an under the radar YouTube All-Star. To this day the clip I call "Special Delivery!" is one of my favorites. As a side note watch that clip. With Corey Maggette's departure all those guys are out of LA now. I also appreciate Miles' bizarre Slamball cameo (no idea what he says) and this Nike commercial with Quentin Richardson when they do that thing I never really understood:

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A few Blazer fan thoughts

1. Eben Calder was taken to task by Dave of Blazers Edge and others as well for his comment. It wasn’t representative.
2. If Darius can play and succeed, Blazer fans aren’t going to be down on the Celtics for signing him. You are supposed to try to improve your team, and most won’t blame you for doing so. On the other hand, if Darius plays in the last two minutes of 10 games and then the Celtics cut him, there will be hatred like you can’t imagine.
3. “I guess Danny Ainge is the kind of GM that is okay with it.” If I were a Celtic fan, I’d be bothered by that. As I commented in the fan post, that could be a bad mistake, because it may end up sending the message that you are willing to take risks with players’ health to win a few games. If the worst happens to Darius, and it happens in a Celtic uniform, there will be a lot of players around the league who will have their doubts about the Celtics doing this, and it could cost you a lot more than just Darius.
4. I doubt we’ll be signing a max player anyway (none available next year that really fit our team). We’ll still have lots of cap space to get a really good player, or a couple solid role players. This won’t exactly kill us. In fact, if our young players develop we might not have used that cap space anyway, even if we had it.

I hope Darius doesn’t make your team. Partly selfish, because it won’t help the Blazers. But (I hope no one from Blazers Edge reads this) the Celtics have always been one of those teams I didn’t mind seeing do well, and I think it will be bad for the Celts to have Darius, and bad for Darius as well. So my desire to see Darius not make the cut isn’t entirely selfish.

He ought to invest the big bucks Paul Allen will be paying him for the next couple of years, get an education and do something profitable with his life, and save his knees for playing basketball with his kid.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 22, 2008 5:59 PM EDT   1 recs

great post

I still am very skeptical as to whether Darius is healthy enough to truly help the Celtics. If he is, good for him and good for Boston. Even if he is healthy, I don’t see him as a good fit in Boston— his game relied on explosiveness and even if he’s healthy enough to play, I’d be shocked if he’s anywhere near the player he was, let alone the player he could have been.

Its very possible Ainge just wants to get a look at Darius in camp. The Blazers brought in Nik Tskitishvilli a few years ago— it’s not rare for teams to bring in former high picks since they know the talent is there. I would not be surprised if Darius is cut before the season.

Like jscot says, the only way there will be animosity toward Boston from our end is if it becomes clear the signing was just to stick it to Portland. Also, like jscot says, even if this does happen it would just mean 15 mil of capspace instead of 24 mil— still enough to get a good player.

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by jksnake99 on Aug 22, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

By the way

Nice NBA Jam reference.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 22, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All Fair Points

“If Darius can play and succeed, Blazer fans aren’t going to be down on the Celtics for signing him. You are supposed to try to improve your team, and most won’t blame you for doing so. On the other hand, if Darius plays in the last two minutes of 10 games and then the Celtics cut him, there will be hatred like you can’t imagine.”

I think that’s the biggest point. For the record if the roles were reversed here and the Blazers were signing a guy that could negatively impact Boston’s cap the venom coming out of Massachusetts would be outrageous.

I definitely like the point about Miles and his reliance on athleticism. In his 6 seasons in the league I remember being wowed by his athleticism but never thought of him as a guy like Brandon Roy who just knows the game.

In closing I want to negatively portray Blazers fans or Blazers Edge readers. My interactions with both have been incredibly positive over the last couple of years. In the end this could go down as a minor story, particularly if Miles gets cut. But as August winds down it is something to talk about.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 22, 2008 8:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, if they cut him

it’s all nothing except an excuse to spend time on an NBA blog in August.

If he plays, and plays a decent role for the Celtics, the Portland side of it is irrelevant, really.

One minor gripe with your main post. When one comment is portrayed as “particularly insightful” and there is no mention of the fact that most commenters took him to task for it, it gives the impression that the comment is actually representative of Blazer fan thinking. It isn’t.

I would guess that about 90% of Blazer fans don’t want Darius to make the Celtics, but also don’t want him to get hurt. Maybe I’ll do a poll on BEdge to assess it.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 23, 2008 4:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Point

"One minor gripe with your main post. When one comment is portrayed as "particularly insightful" and there is no mention of the fact that most commenters took him to task for it, it gives the impression that the comment is actually representative of Blazer fan thinking. It isn’t.

I would guess that about 90% of Blazer fans don’t want Darius to make the Celtics, but also don’t want him to get hurt. Maybe I’ll do a poll on BEdge to assess it."

I definitely rushed to post on that. It deserves an update.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 23, 2008 9:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, well stated in the update

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 23, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim

shouldn’t that be ‘I don’T want to NEGATIVELY portrait’? the post itself is very good, I hope Darius can either resurrect his career or don’t f**k up the Blazers situaton

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Aug 23, 2008 4:15 AM EDT   0 recs

6. it's the omega sign

fraternity stuff…

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 5:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Good to know

I’ve been wondering about that for years.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT   0 recs

re:

link

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm less convinced now

As this commercial shows Miles and Richardson make fists and do an antennae like thing. And what would Miles know about fraternities? Although Richardson did go to DePaul for 2 years and realistically came across the Greek system there. Ultimately I linked to that Nike commercial as proof that Q has packed on the pounds. And I only bring that up because the 2008 Celtics did not impress him.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 25, 2008 1:24 AM EDT   0 recs

The sign is a warning, meaning "Caution, I'm a head case" ;-)

Just kidding. I also was wondering about that commercial forever, and have linked it up in the Fanshots on Blazers Edge recently. No conclusive evidence to what the antenna or horns gesture means. How many of these expensive shoes has Nike sold with this ad? Is the brand manager who selected Q and Miles as testimonials still there? It’s one of the unsolved mysteries of basketball.

As another Blazers fan, I really liked your well-balanced comments on a sensitive matter. I for one wouldn’t be mad if Darius makes it back into the NBA, more power to him if he can do it. And he can hardly find a better place than on a successful team that could still really use him. I would be more sad if he killed his knee for good in the process and then could probably do no more than play golf or ride a bike with it.

Darius seems to be a last link to the Jailblazers era for many fans bringing up negative feelings, and a widely held perception was that he didn’t work as hard on his comeback for the last two years as say Amare, Randolph or Oden who all had various degrees of micro-fracture surgery. Why now that he has been declared “medically retired”? And it’s definitely an interesting case to look into these retirement procedures. For example, will he have to convince another independent doctor appointed by the NBA, the players association and the Celtics, or can the Celtics medical staff just say, “yeah, we think he can play again, the first doctor was too negative”? The Blazers management apparently didn’t want to take the high risk with Miles and saw more benefit in waiving him. That’s also the reason why comments like “Miles was not willing to give the Blazers the same contract that he then went out and offered to all other teams” miss the point. They didn’t want him back, definitely not with the Blazers.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 25, 2008 9:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing I forgot to bring up

The whole salary relief aspect is a bit confusing to me because Reggie Lewis died and the C’s did not get any cap relief. Also I vaguely recall the Miami Heat pulling something off with Alonzo Mourning and his kidney issues. But the details escape me.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Aug 25, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

This is the relevant section of the current CBA. Maybe such a procedure wasn't yet in place when Reggie Lewis died while on the roster

I can remember that Bill Simmons mused about the quickness of the medical retirement, too, but didn’t offer any more insight. The text itself is a bit meandering, and so far some of the statements in there have not been tested in real life as Darius is the first player to try and come back from an injury that has been deemed “career ending” as far as I know. That never happened with guys like Zo Mourning, or even Ronny Turiaf and Etan Thomas who needed open heart surgery.

Here is the text from section h:

(h) Long-Term Injuries. Any player who suffers a career-ending injury or illness, and whose contract is terminated by the Team in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure, will be excluded from his Team’s Team Salary as follows:

(1) Beginning on the first anniversary of the injury or illness, the Team may apply to the NBA to have the player’s Salary for each remaining Salary Cap Year covered by the Contract excluded from Team Salary.

(2) The determination of whether a player has suffered a career-ending injury or illness shall be made by a physician selected jointly by the NBA and the Players Association.

(3) Notwithstanding Section 4(h)(1) and (2) above, the career-ending injury or illness of a player who plays in more than ten (10) games in any Season shall not be deemed to have occurred prior to the last game in which the player played in such Season.

(4) Notwithstanding Section 4(h)(1) and (2) above, if after a player’s Salary is excluded from Team Salary in accordance with this Section 4(h), the player plays in ten (10) NBA games in any Season, the excluded Salary for the Salary Cap Year covering such Season and each subsequent Salary Cap Year shall thereupon be included in Team Salary (and if the tenth game played is a playoff game, then the excluded Salary shall be included in Salary retroactively as of the start of the Team’s last Regular Season game). After a player’s Salary for one (1) or more Salary Cap Years has been included in Team Salary in accordance with this Section 4(h)(4), the player’s Team shall be permitted at the appropriate time to re-apply to have the player’s Salary (for each Salary Cap Year remaining at the time of the re-application) excluded from Team Salary in accordance with the rules set forth in this Section 4(h).

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Very helpful

Thanks

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by Jim Weeks on Aug 25, 2008 1:45 PM EDT   0 recs

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